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  20. Subject: INFO-HAMS Digest V89 #914
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  22.  
  23. INFO-HAMS Digest            Tue, 21 Nov 89       Volume 89 : Issue 914
  24.  
  25. Today's Topics:
  26.                             Celebrity HAMS
  27.                    Listen to Mannix on your scanner
  28.             Military aircraft callsigns...Eugene Balinski
  29.                         The "right to receive"
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  31.  
  32. Date: 21 Nov 89 03:54:57 GMT
  33. From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org!Jim.Grubs@ucsd.edu  (Jim Grubs)
  34. Subject: Celebrity HAMS
  35.  
  36. > From: 702WFG@SCRVMSYS.BITNET (bill gunshannon)
  37.  >
  38.  > >The newest Newsline claims that Marlon Brando has had many different
  39.  > >ham calls, and that a biographer is looking for people who may have
  40.  > >had contacts with him.  I looked up Brando on marvin, with no results.
  41.  > >He probably has a real name that he has on his license.
  42.  >
  43.  > Yes, Marlon Brando's call was under his real name (which I don't remember
  44.  > at the moment) and if I also remember correctly, he let his US license
  45.  
  46. I've been told that his original last name is Brandeaux (same pronunciation,  
  47. Americanized spelling).
  48.  
  49.  > expire when he retired cause he settled down in Tahiti.  He fell in love
  50.  > with the island during the filming of "Mutiny on the Bounty" and also
  51.  
  52. Hehehe. Actually he fell in love with a Tahitian, namely, the island beauty who  
  53. was his love interest in that movie. Don't know if he married her, but they had  
  54. a child, a boy, I believe.
  55.  
  56. Incidentally, Brando played Fletcher Christian, whose descendent, Tom  
  57. Christian, VP6TC, still lives on Pitcairn Island to this day.
  58.  
  59.  > Does anyone remeber the call signs of:
  60.  >    Arthur Godfrey,  Clayton Moore (The Lone Ranger)
  61.        K4LIB              ??????
  62.  
  63.  
  64. 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT
  65.  
  66.  
  67.        ??????
  68.  
  69.  
  70. 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT
  71.  
  72. --  
  73. Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!stjhmc!234!1!Jim.Grubs
  74. Internet: Jim.Grubs@f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org
  75.  
  76. ------------------------------
  77.  
  78. Date: 21 Nov 89 13:18:10 GMT
  79. From: att!cbnewsc!parnass@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Bob Parnass, AJ9S)
  80. Subject: Listen to Mannix on your scanner
  81.  
  82. Dick Tracy, the square jawed comic strip detective, was well known
  83. for his 2-way "wrist radio," but aside from eavesdropping gear,
  84. real detectives use more conventional radio equipment.  The readily
  85. available 'Police Call' directory lists most frequencies used by
  86. police investigators, and there are published lists of frequencies used
  87. by federal investigators, but where can you hear private detectives? 
  88. ... real-life private eyes portrayed by shows like Barnaby Jones, Columbo,
  89. Mannix, Cannon, and Booker?
  90.  
  91. Here is a sampling of frequencies licensed to private investigators.
  92. Although most are located in Illinois, some can be used across the
  93. country.
  94.  
  95. Accident Investigation/Photography
  96.                        [Marengo]___________  462.1000____call?     (govt recds)
  97. Active Detective Agency
  98.                        [Chicago]___________  462.7000_gm_KAC4317   (B. Parnass)
  99.               "        [Lockport]__________  462.0750____KBJ789    (govt recds)
  100. Alarm Detective Systems
  101.                        [Aurora]____________  956.0500____WNEO826   (govt recds)
  102. Ambassador City Wide Patrol and Detective
  103.                        [Chicago]___________  464.6500____KNFC954   (govt recds)
  104. Arlington Security & Investigation
  105.                        [Arlington Hts]_____  461.3000____call?     (magazines)
  106. Bowman Detective_______[Illinois]__________  151.6250_it_KA53932   (govt recds)
  107. Citywide Detective Agency
  108.                        [Chicago]___________  463.8750____KNGL405   (govt recds)
  109. Confidential Investigative Consultants, detective agency?
  110.                        [Chicago]___________  464.6000____call?     (govt recds)
  111. Cosmopolitan Detective & Security Investigation Inc
  112.                        [Chicago]___________  472.4125____call?     (govt recds)
  113. Cosmopolitan Detective Svc
  114.                        [Illinois]__________  151.8350____WNAB850   (govt recds)
  115. Counselers Investigations
  116.                        [Chicago]___________  464.3750____call?     (govt recds)
  117.               "          "                   464.5250____call?     (govt recds)
  118. Crabtree Detective Agency
  119.                        [Illinois]__________  854.0375____KNGR733   (govt recds)
  120. ERS Security and Detective
  121.                        [Chicago]___________  462.0500____WNDK736   (govt recds)
  122. Executive Protection and Investigation
  123.                        [Rockford]__________  464.5750____call?     (govt recds)
  124. Fox Detective Agency___[Geneva]____________  151.8050____KQR253    (govt recds)
  125. Frain, Peter, Detective
  126.                        [USA-wide]__________  464.5000_it_KB65210   (govt recds)
  127. Gallione Detective Agency
  128.                        [USA-wide]__________   35.0400_it_KAU918    (govt recds)
  129. Gloss Guard & Investigation, security agency
  130.                        [Glen Ellyn]________   42.9600____KRS985    (govt recds)
  131. Hall Security & Investigation
  132.                        [USA-wide]__________  464.5000_it_KB34586   (govt recds)
  133. Hawk Detective Svc_____[Chicago]___________  463.7000____KBJ253    (others)
  134. Hoffman Security & Detective
  135.                        [USA-wide]__________  151.6250_it_WNFB266   (govt recds)
  136. Illinois Counties Detective Agency
  137.                        [Mt Prospect]_______  154.6000_2w_KTS974    (govt recds)
  138. J B Detective Agency___[Chicago]___________  463.8750____WNDP861   (govt recds)
  139. Knorok Detective Agency
  140.                        [Chicago]___________  464.0500____KNCD996   (govt recds)
  141. L & H Investigations, detective agency
  142.                        [Chicago]___________  463.8250____WNID281   (govt recds)
  143.               "        [Illinois]__________  154.5700_2w_KB84364   (govt recds)
  144.               "          "                   461.1000____WNHA346   (govt recds)
  145. Lake Shore Detective & Patrol Svc
  146.                        [Chicago]___________  461.9000____WNJF529   (govt recds)
  147.               "        [Park Ridge]________  151.9250____KWB686    (govt recds)
  148. Loop Detective Agency, PL4A
  149.                        [Chicago]___________  461.6250____KNCJ930   (others)
  150. Loop Detective Agency__[Chicago]___________  151.7450____KAS555    (govt recds)
  151. May, Victor H Investigations, detective
  152.                        [Chicago]___________  462.1500____KNGF664   (govt recds)
  153.               "          "                   466.7000_mo_KH3996    (govt recds)
  154. McGuffey Detective Agency
  155.                        [Crystal Lake]______  461.1000____KNFW995   (govt recds)
  156. Northwest Security & Detective Agency, id="NWS"
  157.                        [Chicago]___________  463.8750____KWP312    (B. Parnass)
  158. Ohlson Investigation, detective agency
  159.                        [Bloomingdale]______  151.8650____WNGE414   (govt recds)
  160.               "          "                   462.6750_gm_KAC4388   (govt recds)
  161.               "          "                   472.1625____KB6458    (govt recds)
  162.               "          "                   475.1625_mo_WID869    (govt recds)
  163. Olympic Investigation, detective agency
  164.                        [Illinois]__________  151.6250_it_KA81552   (govt recds)
  165. Owl Security & Investigation
  166.                        [USA-wide]__________  154.5700_2w_KB35511   (govt recds)
  167. Palen Investigations___[USA-wide]__________  151.9250____KNAN959   (govt recds)
  168. Peays Detective Agency
  169.                        [Chicago]___________  463.9250____KAO401    (govt recds)
  170. Perry, RJ, Investigations, detective
  171.                        [Chicago]___________  462.7000_gm_KAD4621   (govt recds)
  172. Pinkerton Detective____[USA-wide]__________  151.9550____KB82889   (govt recds)
  173. Professional's Detective Agency
  174.                        [Chicago]___________  461.8375_2w_call?     (govt recds)
  175.               "          "                   462.7875_pg_call?     (govt recds)
  176. Quality Investigations, detective agency
  177.                        [Chicago]___________  461.1750____KNGZ798   (govt recds)
  178. Regional Investigato..., detective agency?
  179.                        [Illinois]__________  151.6550____KNDH389   (govt recds)
  180. SBW Investigation and Security Agency
  181.                        [Chicago]___________  151.6250_it_call?     (govt recds)
  182. Search Security & Investigation
  183.                        [USA-wide]__________  151.6250_it_KB35605   (govt recds)
  184. Security Svc & Detective
  185.                        [Chicago]___________  468.8750_mo_KD7812    (govt recds)
  186.               "          "                   468.8750_mo_WFH488    (govt recds)
  187. Shadow Investigations, PL1A
  188.                        [Chicago]___________  154.5400____call?     (others)
  189. Spivey Investigative, detective agency
  190.                        [Illinois]__________  463.5500____KNAV680   (govt recds)
  191. Star Detective & Security Agency, Inc
  192.                        [Chicago]___________  461.0750____KGZ684    (govt recds)
  193.               "          "                   472.1625____KGZ684    (govt recds)
  194.               "        [Illinois]__________  475.1875_mo_KJ9438    (govt recds)
  195. Statewide Detective____[Chicago]___________  463.4750____KNEW974   (govt recds)
  196. Statewide Investigative Svcs
  197.                        [Chicago]___________  467.7750_2w_call?     (govt recds)
  198. Target Detective_______[Chicago]___________  461.9750____KNCX870   (govt recds)
  199. Three Star Detective Agency
  200.                        [Chicago]___________  461.8000____call?     (govt recds)
  201. United Network Bureau, detective, heard at Western Open golf tourney, PL2A
  202.                        [Oakbrook]__________  153.1100____call?     (others)
  203. United Network Bureau, detective
  204.                        [Oakbrook]__________  151.6250_it_KU2361    (govt recds)
  205.               "          "                   151.9250____KTX311    (govt recds)
  206.               "          "                   154.5400____KU2361    (govt recds)
  207. Wren Detective Agency__[USA-wide]__________  464.5500_it_KNFF998   (govt recds)
  208. Z Intl Investigative___[USA-wide]__________  151.9250____KNAB997   (govt recds)
  209. -- 
  210. ============================================================================
  211. Bob Parnass, AJ9S - AT&T Bell Laboratories - att!ihuxz!parnass (708)979-5414
  212.  
  213. ------------------------------
  214.  
  215. Date: 21 Nov 89 03:55:33 GMT
  216. From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org!Jim.Grubs@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu  (Jim Grubs)
  217. Subject: Military aircraft callsigns...Eugene Balinski
  218.  
  219. > From: kaufman@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
  220.  > In article <8387.256772D9@stjhmc.fidonet.org>
  221.  > Jim.Grubs@f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Grubs) writes:
  222.  > >> From: kaufman@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
  223.  >
  224.  > >Wrong! For example, ALL messages on AUTODIN are encrypted for the express
  225.  > purpose of denying any potential adversary the knowledge that any
  226.  > messages are
  227.  > >more imprtant than the others.
  228.  >
  229.  > You obviously have never listened to the transmissions in question.  The
  230.  > SAC
  231.  > air frequencies (Giant Talk) are NOT encrypted most of the time.
  232.  
  233. As a member of USAF MARS BST acrtivities I did more of that sort of thing than  
  234. you might imagine.
  235.  
  236.  > - > Are you telling me that it is OK for the Russians to listen to SAC, but
  237.  > - > NOT OK
  238.  > - > for Americans to listen to SAC?
  239.  >
  240.  > >It's not OK for either.
  241.  >
  242.  > Right.  Well, you get the Russians to stop, then maybe I'll stop.
  243.  
  244. Poor excuse! Do you also apply that logic to, say, income tax evasion? Vote  
  245. fraud? Shoplifting? 
  246.  
  247.  > - > When I was a kid, we had the Communications Act of 1934, which said I
  248.  > - > could
  249.  > - > listen to ANYTHING, so long as I didn't use it for commercial gain.
  250.  > I'm
  251.  > - > certainly not going to trust YOU to decide what I can listen to!
  252.  >
  253.  > >You interpretation of the Communications Act is erroneous. The ECPA became
  254.  > >necessary because electronic Peeping Toms abused the privacy portions of
  255.  > the
  256.  > >CommAct.
  257.  >
  258.  > Your interpretation of MY interpretation is erroneous.  The act meant
  259.  > JUST what
  260.  > it said:  You can (could) listen to ANYTHING, but you can't make
  261.  > commercial
  262.  > gain of it.
  263.  
  264. The privacy portions of it were intended to forbid disclosure of private (as  
  265. opposed to BC) information which one happened upon by chance. I do not believe  
  266. the authors anticipated that a cult of people who search out such information  
  267. would arise. In that sense ECPA is a correction of an omission. If the authors  
  268. of the CommAct had anticipated that cult, the CommAct provisions you cite as  
  269. permission would not likely exist.
  270.  
  271.  > >You shouldn't have to trust me. I'm not involved. It's the message
  272.  > sender's
  273.  > >right to say "This is none of your business." This right is protected by
  274.  > the
  275.  > >constitution and laws of the United States.
  276.  >
  277.  > Oh?  Just where in the constitution does it say that?  If you choose to
  278.  
  279. The Bill of Rights provision forbiding unlawful search and seizure.
  280.  
  281.  > a message sending medium that is inherently non-selective, such as a
  282.  > billboard,
  283.  > what right do you have to tell me not to read it?  And do you also have
  284.  > the
  285.  > right to tell me not to listen to, say, Radio Moscow? or Voice of
  286.  > America?
  287.  
  288. Both are "broadcast" media.
  289.  
  290.  > Facists ALWAYS believe that THEY are the keepers of the one TRUE WORD.
  291.  
  292. Generous of you to admit it.
  293.  
  294. 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT
  295.  
  296.  
  297. ts ALWAYS believe that THEY are the keepers of the one TRUE WORD.
  298.  
  299. Generous of you to admit it.
  300.  
  301. 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT
  302.  
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  304. Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!stjhmc!234!1!Jim.Grubs
  305. Internet: Jim.Grubs@f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org
  306.  
  307. ------------------------------
  308.  
  309. Date: Tue, 21 Nov 89 13:13 EST
  310. From: Ed Schwalenberg <Ed@ALDERAAN.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
  311. Subject: The "right to receive"
  312.  
  313.     Date: 21 Nov 89 00:24:32 GMT
  314.     From: vsi1!daver!lynx!neal@apple.com  (Neal Woodall)
  315.  
  316.     If radio waves reach into my home, then I have a right to receive and
  317.     attempt to demodulate them.
  318.  
  319. Where did you get this idea from?  It's not in the Bible, the Constitution,
  320. the Communications Act of 1934, the ECPA, or anyplace else that I know about.
  321. It's a nice idea, it's one that I approve of, but it is NOT one of the
  322. recognized rights of society, in the USA or in any other country.
  323.  
  324. Governments have the unlimited right, which they have exercised in the past
  325. and continue to exercise, to determine not only who may transmit via radio
  326. and what they may transmit and when they may transmit it and what kind of
  327. equipment and antennas they may use, and who may fix them when they break,
  328. but also to regulate the reception of radio waves (including who and when
  329. and how and with what).  The various state scanner and radar-detector laws
  330. are examples, as are the ECPA and the Communications Act of 1934 and the
  331. zoning regulations of Boulder County.
  332.  
  333. If you think that the government's rights in this area ought to be
  334. restricted, or the individual's rights made clearer, you should exercise
  335. your unquestioned right to petition your government for redress of
  336. grievances.  However, simply declaring that you have a right to receive
  337. based on some layman's notion of the laws of trespass does not create
  338. that right.
  339.  
  340. Again, let me say that I agree with the spirit of what you're saying.
  341. And I'm not picking on Neal particularly; he's one of many people in
  342. this group who have said or thought the same thing.  But wishful
  343. thinking, even if it has a certain amount of moral force, is not the
  344. same as a right, God-given or otherwise.
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